OMG The unthinkable has happened!

David Aiketgate;11322 wrote: http://www.shoesuperstore.com.au/Content_Common/pc-womens-shoes-mg.seo

I was starting to get all excited then...clicked the link....



.....MASSIVE disappointment....you can't compare THOSE things with shoooooessss....MG perhaps, Jimmy Chooo no-way!!

Birks;11366 wrote: I was starting to get all excited then...clicked the link....



.....MASSIVE disappointment....you can't compare THOSE things with shoooooessss....MG perhaps, Jimmy Chooo no-way!!

Sorry, but Clive was querying whether MG did shoes.:dunno:
We weren't looking at the styling.:shake:

Birks;11366 wrote: I was starting to get all excited then...clicked the link....



.....MASSIVE disappointment....you can't compare THOSE things with shoooooessss....MG perhaps, Jimmy Chooo no-way!!

typical woman :shake:

one mention of shoes and they go all weak at the knees :dunno: :sofa:

David Aiketgate;11368 wrote: Sorry, but Clive was querying whether MG did shoes.:dunno:
We weren't looking at the styling.:shake:

but MG's are KNOWN for their style...I demand they change their name immediately!!!

phil-hex;11369 wrote: typical woman :shake:

one mention of shoes and they go all weak at the knees :dunno: :sofa:

I daren't go weak at the knees in some of mine...I'd break my ankle!

Kara...no contest, go for the shoes girl!!

:girlpower:

Birks;11371 wrote: but MG's are KNOWN for their style...I demand they change their name immediately!!!

I heard that those shoes are prone to Heal Gasket Failure anyway. :whistle:

CJJ;11375 wrote: I heard that those shoes are prone to Heal Gasket Failure anyway. :whistle:

That's just cobblers......




















...who say that!

CJJ;11364 wrote: You could probably get a custom stainless system built by the likes of Longlife for around the £500 mark. This would be a complete system.

For this they ask what sound you want, what look you want and what finishers you want.

They then build it and fit it there and then.

yep for around £500-£600 you could get a mainfold to TWIN exit system with flange de-cat (so you can put the cat back on for MOTs) from longlife, thats what matrin has for his ZR

Sav-MG has a cat-back system (from cat to backbox) from powerflow including a mid-box removal, cost him £280 and does sound pretty nice


btw my apologies i got a text off ninja_182 today he took off his airfilter to mesure his TB... it is alloy but its 48mm not 52mm

You could always add a set of camshafts to that list:dc::dc::innocent: Would give you about 15+ bhp:woo2::devilpush:
Chris

Adam-MGTF;11359 wrote: The 180s are KV6 and iirc have a totally different TB set up? but its a later model and i was under the impression all MK2s have a 52mm TB? will have to ask ninja_182 (i'e just text him)....

as for power, the ZS doesn't have allot of power gain from an enclosed cone like the F has because it's not as badly a designed system (it gets cold air from the wing so its not like the F sucking from the engine bay) but an enclosed cone wouldn't be anywhere near as restrictive... there's also allot of them around second hand (remember it can be off a ZR/BRM/etc as well makes no difference) hence why there ten a penny

as for the exhaust not a huge amount of power there either unless you replace the whole exhaust like my mate martind1 has just done with his ZR

this is because the ZS has a more complex system, its not like the F where its:

Manifold
Flexi
Cat
Backbox

its more like
manifold
down-pipe (with pre-cat)
flexi-pipe
a connector pipe
cat
a connector pipe
mid-box
a connector pipe
back-box


the restrictive areas are the manifold with pre cat.... the main cat (obv)... the mid box (a sort of pre silencer) and the back-box itself

you could spend a couple of hundred quid on a back-box and get next to no power and not much better sound (as 90% of the system will still be mild steel not stainless which is how you get a pure tone)

your much better off saving for a little while, getting an induction kit for now (just for that grin factor grunt when you nail it if nothing else lol) and waiting untill you can afford a full stainless exhaust from someone like powerflow (where Sav-MG another good friend of mine got one for his ZS from) or Longlife where martind1 got his ZR system


If Stevie were a F or TF i'd say spend the dosh on an exhaust backbox every time but a ZS is a ZS not a F/TF and there a bit different

of course as a stop gap you could have your mid-box taken out for around £40 and replaced with a stainless pipe (powerflow do this, UK-Biker yet another Teesside meet regular had this done and it makes a surprising difference, more torque in the mid range and a sweeter tone, mind you his is a ZS180 so might not be quite the same)





oh little disclaimer kara im no ZS expert, i've serviced and worked on Sav-MGs but most of my knowledge is because Ninja_182, Sav-MG and ukBiker are teesside meet regulars and good mates and what info i have i've gleamed from them and trips to powerflow with them etc etc but im pretty sure on everything i've wrote and defiantly recommend a full stainless system when you go for an exhaust as its much better value for money (you may spent £400.00 but lets face it just a backbox for a F is £300 and Longlife and Powerflow both come with long guarantees, and if you sell the ZS you can allways put the old system back on and sell separately

Wow thanks Adam! Very informative post! :yesnod:

I had no idea the exhaust system was so much more complex than the F's! I can see now why just a backbox would make no difference to bhp. In that case there's no way I can replace the full system just yet so looks like I'll settle with an induction kit. Now you say it can be of a zr as well but is there a difference between pre/post facelift? I quite fancy the k&n apollo one. :drool5:

CJJ;11364 wrote: You could probably get a custom stainless system built by the likes of Longlife for around the £500 mark. This would be a complete system.

For this they ask what sound you want, what look you want and what finishers you want.

They then build it and fit it there and then.

I like Longlife - good rep for doing quality exhausts but if it's a full system I need I'll have to wait til a few more pay days! :doh:

Birks;11372 wrote: I daren't go weak at the knees in some of mine...I'd break my ankle!

Kara...no contest, go for the shoes girl!!

:girlpower:

He he,... but do I get gorgeous red ones like the the girls wear in the virgin advert or do I get some nice black ones for work... maybe marc jacobs? I tell ya the decisions us girls have to face!

CJJ;11375 wrote: I heard that those shoes are prone to Heal Gasket Failure anyway. :whistle:

Oh dear... :punalert:

Adam-MGTF;11391 wrote: yep for around £500-£600 you could get a mainfold to TWIN exit system with flange de-cat (so you can put the cat back on for MOTs) from longlife, thats what matrin has for his ZR

Sav-MG has a cat-back system (from cat to backbox) from powerflow including a mid-box removal, cost him £280 and does sound pretty nice


btw my apologies i got a text off ninja_182 today he took off his airfilter to mesure his TB... it is alloy but its 48mm not 52mm

Hmm £280 is pretty reasonable... will check them out.

So I need to add a 52mm tb to the list. I'm guessing it's same as on the F/TF/ZR etc.?

Quicksilver;11417 wrote: You could always add a set of camshafts to that list:dc::dc::innocent: Would give you about 15+ bhp:woo2::devilpush:
Chris

15+ bhp? Are you teasing me because I haven't woken up yet so I can't tell. :blush:

Kara;11438 wrote: Wow thanks Adam! Very informative post! :yesnod:

I had no idea the exhaust system was so much more complex than the F's! I can see now why just a backbox would make no difference to bhp. In that case there's no way I can replace the full system just yet so looks like I'll settle with an induction kit. Now you say it can be of a zr as well but is there a difference between pre/post facelift? I quite fancy the k&n apollo one. :drool5:



I like Longlife - good rep for doing quality exhausts but if it's a full system I need I'll have to wait til a few more pay days! :doh:



He he,... but do I get gorgeous red ones like the the girls wear in the virgin advert or do I get some nice black ones for work... maybe marc jacobs? I tell ya the decisions us girls have to face!



Oh dear... :punalert:



Hmm £280 is pretty reasonable... will check them out.

So I need to add a 52mm tb to the list. I'm guessing it's same as on the F/TF/ZR etc.?



15+ bhp? Are you teasing me because I haven't woken up yet so I can't tell. :blush:

No not kidding a decent set of cams will give you that range of power gain

Quicksilver;11441 wrote: No not kidding a decent set of cams will give you that range of power gain

Oooh so roughly how much would they be?