Dead battery following alarm/electrical oddities

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Posted 1 month 5 days ago #208921
 Firstly there are no such thing as alarm oddities..... the damned things are a consistent source of problems, as there hasn't been one made yet that isn't a total piece of rubbish.
Having said that, your car probably has the later Pektron system which isn't anywhere near as bad as the earlier Lucas 5AS system is at causing flat batteries.

I don't think the door latching would've been my first port a call, I would suspect the door switches themselves, or the wiring loom that runs up to the boot by the boot hinge, this is a first stop check for a lot strange electrical behavior concerning our cars.

Alarms and immobiliser systems can play up for various strange reasons, when I bought my old Ford Falcon ute, it wasn't a runner and had been sitting for @ 2 1/2 yrs, t he plumber that owned it couldn't start it no matter what he tried, so he offered it up for sale, I went around to have a look and noticed that the interior light in the cab wasn't working, I immediately made him a low offer.... which he accepted out of frustration. I then replaced the dirty interior light fuse and the ute started first turn of the key....leaving, the
plumber had a very sick look on his face.
Now I knew how Fords Smartlock immobiliser system works, it uses the door light switches to tell it if the doors are open and if there is something  is outside of any of it's parameters it won't let the engine start! I have since bypassed the Smartlock nonsense as it is a constant cause of woes, and not worth the pain and suffering.... you know when they feel the need to call something smart......it isn't!
The whole concept of  an immobiliser that is tripped by something as silly as a dodgy interior light is utterly stupid!

Your problem will be as equally silly.

 

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Replied by sludge on topic Dead battery following alarm/electrical oddities

Posted 1 month 5 days ago #208946
Thanks for your input Cobber, important insight to these cars that I needed for this.

I can give a little update; went out and bought a battery charger. Figured it was a good investment anyway. Removed the battery from the car, hooked the charger up and surprisingly, the charger let me know the battery was already fully charged.

I double checked the connectors, and the booklet to make sure I hadn't got anything mixed up and again confirmed that the battery is fully charged - strange.
That then leaves me with even more confusion.

Yesterday when I was trying things, I noticed that with the key turned to full ignition, I was getting a very faint oil light shining red but nothing else. Today that is no longer the case.
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Replied by talkingcars on topic Dead battery following alarm/electrical oddities

Posted 1 month 4 days ago #208948
Hi and welcome to the forum, sorry to read of your problems.

I think the door open light only refers to the boot, it does on my mk1 MGF.
That means that the system thinks the boot is open so turns on the boot light.
The sensor is part of the boot latch.
It is also possible that you are getting a short through the boot hinge wiring which causes the system to think the boot is open.
The boot light will drain the battery in a couple of days.

As for the battery itself I would check it with a good old fashioned multimeter.
If it was completely flat a regular battery charger will not be able to recharge it properly.

If you connect your car to another using jump leads you should get full ignition lights even if there isn't enough oomph to start the car.

Let us know how you get on.

James


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Replied by TA22GT on topic Dead battery following alarm/electrical oddities

Posted 1 month 4 days ago #208950
I wonder if you have a bad earth? Refitting the battery may have cured it at the battery end but check every earth bolt that is visible. A half turn undone, spin the connector a little and tighten it back up.
Bad earths cause so much grief!
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Posted 1 month 4 days ago #208954
Your battery my indicate that it's fully charged but  it may no longer be able to supply current at the rate required. A load test is required this requires at test unit that measures the voltage while simultaneously putting a high current draw load on the battery, the indicated voltage under load should be at least @ 9 volts or so at a minimum, but you may find that you're only getting @1 to 2 volts under load or even less this means the battery is buggered! battery load testers  are cheap these days and  can also be used to test alternators you can get fancy electronic ones or old fashioned analog types, I have both and prefer to use no nonsense analog unit.

A simple analog type
 
 

One of these will quickly pay for itself in the time saved buggerising about. Once you have one you'll wonder how you ever did without one!
You can always drag your battery around to a retail outlet and get them to do a load test for you.

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Replied by Airportable on topic Dead battery following alarm/electrical oddities

Posted 1 month 4 days ago #208958
I’m with Cobber all the way, only I prefer the electronic tester. You can program your battery’s optimum perimeters into it & it tests around those.
Like Cobb’s I wouldn’t be without it & again it saved me it’s cost with the first series of tests on some very special batteries.
The boot wiring loom is frequently mentioned as a cause of electrical mysteries, it’s the poltergeist in the boot; all is well & then it’s not & you’re chasing all sorts of faults. Then the insidious little bastard takes a holiday & it’s fine again.
It won’t rest on its laurels on its return.
Grafting some fresh wires in will take a few hours of irritation but save days of infuriation.
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Posted 1 month 4 days ago #208962
Of course you may just have loose or dirty battery terminals, also check the see the condition and tightness of the battery cables at the other end at the starter motor and the earthing point.

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Replied by sludge on topic Dead battery following alarm/electrical oddities

Posted 1 month 4 days ago #208964
I won't single out any messages to thank, but I really appreciate all of your advice and guidance. I've got a battery load tester coming tomorrow (today now I guess) as I didn't already have one, and a new multi-meter as I've misplaced that as well 🙄

Just to touch on a few things that were mentioned/suggested, in regards to door switches and lights etc, I was able to rule those out on the first day, when I still had power. By simply latching them I could see the interior lights go off, as well as the boot light going off so if the battery is genuinely dead (which I don't think it is) then it won't have been because of a light draining the battery.

Similarly, when I first tried to use jump leads from another working car, I still had zero ignition lights. It was as if the key just wasn't doing anything. I'm still optimistic that it's going to be something relatively easy to resolve, but I'm also expecting it to be a problem that plagues this car forever, which would suck as I intend to daily it.

Edit: some talk about earth bolts, this is something I'm wanting to follow further, I just need to find a guide of all the known earth points on the MG TF.
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Replied by bluebae on topic Dead battery following alarm/electrical oddities

Posted 1 month 4 days ago #208965
Good call on getting the load tester, should help narrow things down.
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Replied by Roverlike on topic Dead battery following alarm/electrical oddities

Posted 1 month 4 days ago #208968

Edit: some talk about earth bolts, this is something I'm wanting to follow further, I just need to find a guide of all the known earth points on the MG TF.
 
Maybe this thread could help you:  https://www.the-t-bar.com/forum/roverlike-s-guides/97850-mg-f-tf-earth-points-locations-guide
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Posted 1 month 4 days ago #208974
You are a star! I had already been using your fuse/relay guide for help to find all possible blown fuses, I should've guessed you'd made an earth guide as well.
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Replied by Roverlike on topic Dead battery following alarm/electrical oddities

Posted 1 month 4 days ago #208975
Take a look, maybe something else could help you as well, like boot hinge guide:  https://www.the-t-bar.com/forum/roverlike-s-guides

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