Confused- Another Tyre Question
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Good afternoon all, I've just gone outside to jet wash the new wheels (managed to get some Ultralights) which came with tyres (great considering my fronts are stamped 2010!!) I believe all 4 are non directional as I can't see a roll direction arrow and they're not an arrowhead design (Falken Ziex ZE310) which means I can put them on either side of the car right? Even though though there does seem to be some angling to the tread design...
HOWEVER on closer inspection of the tyres already on the car I noticed the fronts are directional (Toyo Proxes T1R) while the rears are not (Toyo Proxes TR1)... Surely they should either all be directional or all be nondirectional right?
Anyone able to shed any light here?
Basically two questions
1) do my falkens need to go on specific sides based on the tread angle?
2) is the Strange Toyo TR1/T1R setup it already has a mistake or is that normal? (In which case do in need directional fronts)
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HOWEVER on closer inspection of the tyres already on the car I noticed the fronts are directional (Toyo Proxes T1R) while the rears are not (Toyo Proxes TR1)... Surely they should either all be directional or all be nondirectional right?
Anyone able to shed any light here?
Basically two questions
1) do my falkens need to go on specific sides based on the tread angle?
2) is the Strange Toyo TR1/T1R setup it already has a mistake or is that normal? (In which case do in need directional fronts)
Thanks everyone
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Posted 20 hours 25 minutes ago #210945
As far as I have been able to google the Falken Ziex ZE310 tyres are non directional so can go on either side.
2003 TF 135 sunstorm
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The earlier Toyo T1R is considered a better tyre than its succesor the TR1.
I'm in the same boat as you in that my car came with almost brand new T1R's that are dated 2013 front and 2014 rear. They even have the green marker in the tread.
I thought I had dropped lucky when I saw the tyres but when I got home I saw the date stamps and did a double take.
I even checked with Toyo.
The Falken 310 is rated better than the current Toyo TR1 by Tyrereviews.
I plan to go 205 x 15 all round with the Falken 310...or 195 x15 all round with Michelin PS3's which are superb tyres. I have them on my MX5 and the grip, feel and roadholding are amazing.
I'm not bothered about the TF stagger front to rear.
By all accounts the Falken 310 is a very quiet tyre which I believe is not directional.
Tyres can be a touchy subject!
I'm in the same boat as you in that my car came with almost brand new T1R's that are dated 2013 front and 2014 rear. They even have the green marker in the tread.
I thought I had dropped lucky when I saw the tyres but when I got home I saw the date stamps and did a double take.
I even checked with Toyo.
The Falken 310 is rated better than the current Toyo TR1 by Tyrereviews.
I plan to go 205 x 15 all round with the Falken 310...or 195 x15 all round with Michelin PS3's which are superb tyres. I have them on my MX5 and the grip, feel and roadholding are amazing.
I'm not bothered about the TF stagger front to rear.
By all accounts the Falken 310 is a very quiet tyre which I believe is not directional.
Tyres can be a touchy subject!
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Posted 17 hours 30 minutes ago #210949
Thanks both,
Yeah tyres really can be a very touchy subject indeed, break in my MK1 Focus ST days there were a huge number of tyres available and at least 10x as many opinions, I've not experienced the car enough to feel the difference of tyres yet but definitely didn't want to do any more driving on nearly 15 year old fronts, so the fact the Ultralights came with tyres (all of which have 5mm+) was a bit of a no brainer.
It appears they're quite rare wheels too so feels something of a privilege to be running them.
Yeah tyres really can be a very touchy subject indeed, break in my MK1 Focus ST days there were a huge number of tyres available and at least 10x as many opinions, I've not experienced the car enough to feel the difference of tyres yet but definitely didn't want to do any more driving on nearly 15 year old fronts, so the fact the Ultralights came with tyres (all of which have 5mm+) was a bit of a no brainer.
It appears they're quite rare wheels too so feels something of a privilege to be running them.
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I would be interested in what you think about the Falkens.
Tyre stiffness, turn in, quietness and general roadholding.
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Tyre stiffness, turn in, quietness and general roadholding.
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Posted 17 hours 2 minutes ago #210951
The ultralight were prohibitively expensive when they were offered as a factory option which is the reason there are so few sets available. An arm and a leg.
2003 TF 135 sunstorm
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I’m sure that Roger Parker (MGOC tech guru - now retired) wrote an article on the right tyres for these cars. The findings were that at the extremes tyres of the same brand/model needed to come from the same factory. In other words the compound in the tyre needs to be the same front and back. Based on that it would seem to be wrong to mix two types of Toyo tyres between front and back.
That is backed up by other research where a particular tyre of the same name and brand had to have its tread ground down by the manufacturer to achieve the same performance as the tyres that had worn out. Reason- tyre manufacturers respond to changing weight of new vehicles and change compounds for the same model of tyre to reflect the market requirements. Block pattern and compound all have consequences.
A tow truck driver (used to work for a tyre manufacturer) told me on a long journey home that when a new model car was introduced that tyres were developed for that particular model of car. So as an example they would drive the new model of car up the motorway and listen for tyre noise then change the tyre design slightly to reduce noise etc.
The lesson would seem to be get the right model/brand and fit them or prepare to visit the hedge!
My car has the Falken, I will need to check but I’m sure they are directional.
As this car is the first of its kind for me I can’t comment on cornering other than to say it is impressive. Probably its best feature.
My first observation in that respect was to marvel at how quickly it would turn in. But as I have nothing else to compare it with that is a bit of a bland statement.
That is backed up by other research where a particular tyre of the same name and brand had to have its tread ground down by the manufacturer to achieve the same performance as the tyres that had worn out. Reason- tyre manufacturers respond to changing weight of new vehicles and change compounds for the same model of tyre to reflect the market requirements. Block pattern and compound all have consequences.
A tow truck driver (used to work for a tyre manufacturer) told me on a long journey home that when a new model car was introduced that tyres were developed for that particular model of car. So as an example they would drive the new model of car up the motorway and listen for tyre noise then change the tyre design slightly to reduce noise etc.
The lesson would seem to be get the right model/brand and fit them or prepare to visit the hedge!
My car has the Falken, I will need to check but I’m sure they are directional.
As this car is the first of its kind for me I can’t comment on cornering other than to say it is impressive. Probably its best feature.
My first observation in that respect was to marvel at how quickly it would turn in. But as I have nothing else to compare it with that is a bit of a bland statement.
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If you think the cornering is impressive on road tyres you oughta try in on Nitto semi slicks......in the dry it sticks like shit to a blanket!.....In the wet it's obviously absolutely bloody diabolical!
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These cars don't have a lot of power but they do handle well. Like my Mazda you can leave the guy behind on your bumper in every corner you come to.
Turn in is great and keeping that in mind I might go 195 x15 front and 205 x15 rear if I go with Falken 310's.
Michelin only do 195 in 15's but they are superb.
A well known MG hillclimber used PS3's on his F and loved them.
Tyres are personal and so are the attributes each tyre brings to the table.
I used Toyo 888's on my Celica and the grip was phenomenal and predictable and they were nowhere near as bad in the wet as the reputation they were given.
If I had the budget I would be fitting Yoko A052's but they are worth as much as my car!
Decidions decisions!
Turn in is great and keeping that in mind I might go 195 x15 front and 205 x15 rear if I go with Falken 310's.
Michelin only do 195 in 15's but they are superb.
A well known MG hillclimber used PS3's on his F and loved them.
Tyres are personal and so are the attributes each tyre brings to the table.
I used Toyo 888's on my Celica and the grip was phenomenal and predictable and they were nowhere near as bad in the wet as the reputation they were given.
If I had the budget I would be fitting Yoko A052's but they are worth as much as my car!
Decidions decisions!
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