Gear change changes.

Replied by davidej on topic Gear change changes.

Posted 1 year 11 months ago #207826
I think you need a serious workshop to do that. I particularly like the block for pushing the roll pin out. I had to buy an extractor on Fleabay and then spend some time grinding parts of it away to make it fit.
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Replied by Airportable on topic Gear change changes.

Posted 1 year 11 months ago #207833
The choice of using the 32tpi tap etc was more a matter of what taps & dies I had of the appropriate diameter for the job. Too small an O/D & the structural integrity would be compromised when drilling & tapping M6 & the rose joint would be weakened if too large a hole was bored to replace the existing M6 as supplied. I hadn’t used my ME taps & died for a while & thought I’d give them an outing.
The block was an off cut of square section, chucked in a four jaw, pilot drilled & bored out, then drilled to hold the two halves together once cut. The screw & pin exit hole were drilled, the exit larger than the scroll & the threaded hole tapped.
Finally the finished block was slit.
As an amateur workshop go I’m well equipped & I realise I’m extremely fortunate, my father was an astute buyer of equipment & I have stepped carefully in his foot steps.
M

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Replied by Airportable on topic Gear change changes.

Posted 1 year 11 months ago #207847
I’m sure you’ll be heartily sick of me & my antics but before I leave you alone for a bit I’ll just add a picture of the last two rose joints of the four bought as experiments. 
There has been talk about the clutch slave cylinder brace, as I was in the engine compartment changing the brown temperature sensor, I’m trying to find out why the front fan comes on when not required. 
I made a plate to mount above the cylinder & a bracket to mount under a bell housing bolt. 
I ran out of enthusiasm & didn’t take it for a run, I’ve had a busy day. 

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Replied by Airportable on topic Gear change changes.

Posted 1 year 11 months ago #207848
Since I took the photograph I’ve moved the bell housing bracket & the tie rod is now parallel to the push rod.
M

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Replied by Airportable on topic Gear change changes.

Posted 1 year 11 months ago #207862
One last hurrah on this topic. All the modifications are completed & the difference is obvious. Everything feels more connected, as if there’s tension in the system, I’m not used to it yet, that might take a week or two with the mileages I’m doing at the moment & I’m unsure as yet whether I’m a lazy shifter of old or a slick shifter as now.
If I were to have paid full chuck for the uprated bell crank etc & for the clutch brace, I’m not sure I’d view the new feel as great value. 
A track dayer would be happy to swap old for new, but that’s not my scene. 
The entire job cost £10 in bits plus engineering time, I’m not costing the abrasions & cuts there free as they always are. 
M

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Replied by MGB281 on topic Gear change changes.

Posted 1 year 11 months ago #207865
I am interested to know if you found a difference with the slave cylinder brace. I have the engine cover bolted down so probably won’t look at it for a couple of months. The MOT is scheduled for the 15th so hopefully that will go without any problems. 
I hope to get the GT blasted and primed before we head into the winter so that is the over riding priority. My third iteration of engine mounts has finally got the Jaguar engine RX8 gearbox combination into its final position. 
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Replied by Airportable on topic Gear change changes.

Posted 1 year 11 months ago #207867
What is good for the goose isn’t necessarily good for the gander.
I would have had to have felt very dissatisfied with the clutch operation, to go to the extent of stripping out all the junk at the rear of the car to bugger about with a commercial brace.
I had the cover off to change a sensor & having read with interest the discourse on gear changing I had a look to see what could be done.
Was it worth it? From an engineering standpoint it wasn’t difficult, I just wander around my collection of old iron, did a few measurements, drew an idea on my work table & made Mk1. Mk3 was a repositioning of the truss rod & the removal of metal as it interfered with a pipe.
The most difficult bit was getting two hands into too small a space!
There is now no perceived movement in the system,(is that a good thing?) & the entire assembly feels more taut. Clutch operation happens within a reduced portion of the clutch pedal travel, possibly requiring more precision in balancing the clutch.
Over the summer months wife & I do a lot of walking & our kit lives in the MG boot, however I hurt my foot whilst out & I’ve been told to rest it. Bugger that, I’m not sitting with my foot on a cushion, so with this lot blowing I say on an office chair in the workshop & made this & did the modifications to the gear change (the doctor didn’t say anything about going into the pit),
I should have done one & absorbed that & done the next.
Has it made a difference? Yes, was it worth the effort? At the end of the day that would be a balancing act of your expectation / price paid for a commercial item.
If you can make your own, take that route.
Or root if you’re in Oz!
M

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Replied by Delbourt on topic Gear change changes.

Posted 1 year 11 months ago #207871
So, am I reading this right?
you have constructed a very sensitive means of connecting the gear change cables to the selector rod using a standard bell crank,
AND braced the clutch slave cylinder to the bellhousing using the “spare” rose joints and some form of bracket that stiffens the existing support?

if so I’m not following exactly how you did that and it would be helpful to have some sketch details of that arrangement please.

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Replied by Airportable on topic Gear change changes.

Posted 1 year 11 months ago #207872
I’ll scribble up a drawing on paper; my working drawings are done on the Formica top of a work bench & sometimes even I can’t tell where one idea starts & the next finishes. There’s a circuit diagram I’m working on right there in the middle at the moment, so a picture of the bench top would only confuse. It would however confirm what some of you have suspected for a long time; I’m quite mad!
M

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Replied by mowog73 on topic Gear change changes.

Posted 1 year 11 months ago #207873
We have Mike Satur's bell crank kits on both of our F's, replaced the originals 10+ years ago. His kit is a definite improvement over the original bell crank, not only due to the rose joints but the shifting precision improved significantly.

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Replied by Airportable on topic Gear change changes.

Posted 1 year 11 months ago #207875
As I commented in an earlier post, I wish I’d experimented with this earlier because I agree there is positive improvement.
The geometry of the original & the Satur upgrade must by necessity be the same as this is governed by the gizzards within the PG1.
Other than the rose joints the only upgrade would be one of rigidity & I suspect you would have to have formed a tight symbiotic relationship with the car for you to notice the difference between the AR fabrication & that by Mike Satur.
Not withstanding that I’m glad I did the experiment & that bitter pill of cost was sweetened somewhat by making the bit to do the mods myself.
I’ve to do some drawings for Delbout shortly, it had slipped my mind or what’s left of it.
M

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Replied by Airportable on topic Gear change changes.

Posted 1 year 11 months ago #207882
I was looking on the web for information on the clutch brace & in my wanderings I found the “same” bell crank system on the MG Mania site at not much over twenty quid, as opposed to Satur at £44.
Satur claim the rose joints are unique to them, the difference might lay there, although I’m not sure how one single ended rose joint can differ from another once the ball is packed & sealed.
MG Mania no longer list the slave cylinder brace, or more accurately, I couldn’t find it on their website, whereas the MGOC have the same device listed.
This may be useful, it’s just a thought.
M

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