Mystery plug

Replied by Notanumber on topic Mystery plug

Posted 1 day 7 hours ago #210336
I'm wondering if it could at one time have been to connect to a lead, thats no longer there, for an exhaust flap actuator which only existed on some early original exhausts.

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Replied by Airportable on topic Mystery plug

Posted 1 day 7 hours ago #210339
The noise flap came along on much later car & it came about due, in no small amount , to another Squad, the Noise Abatement Squad. In all probability this squad would cycle around, hiding behind trees & in hedges, with their noise meters, accusing certain manufacturers under the noise abatement order.
MGR Just bunged up one exhaust until the car got just as far enough away as to reduce the sound pressure level to acceptable amounts, it then opened & the car sped away.
It’s a good thought though.
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Replied by 1275rob on topic Mystery plug

Posted 1 day 6 hours ago #210342
Definitely not that but similar 
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Replied by 1275rob on topic Mystery plug

Posted 1 day 6 hours ago #210343
My bad, the wires are actually brown / black which is live with ignition & a black earth. Did Japan spec have anything different, my headlights have rover Japan part stickers but I dont have any history for the car to confirm. 
 
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Replied by BruceTF135 on topic Mystery plug

Posted 1 day 3 hours ago #210347

My bad, the wires are actually brown / black which is live with ignition & a black earth. Did Japan spec have anything different, my headlights have rover Japan part stickers but I dont have any history for the car to confirm. 
 
Are you sure that isn't orange/black?  Brown is usually much darker.
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Replied by TA22GT on topic Mystery plug

Posted 1 day 3 hours ago #210348
It does look like orange/black to me too..brown is darker I believe.
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Replied by Cobber on topic Mystery plug

Posted 1 day 3 hours ago #210349
Japan is a right hand drive country, so it's likely that the headlights are replacement units, given that the headlights are a commonly replaced part as they're next to bloody useless, I wouldn't mind betting that the headlights are new old stock items reimported back to the UK from Japan.

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Replied by 1275rob on topic Mystery plug

Posted 23 hours 12 minutes ago #210358
Could be orange & black tbf. Oh well it will remain a mystery for now & doesn’t appear to be doing any harm. Thank you all for your advice & have a Merry Christmas 
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Replied by Cobber on topic Mystery plug

Posted 8 hours 21 minutes ago #210380
My car is also a 97 build and it too has brown/black & black wires in a 2 pin gray plug
Now the only brown/black wires that I'm aware of are for the engine bay fan, but mine hasn't been connected to anything either and the engine bay fan works, so my best guess it that given both our cars are 97s there by relatively early cars that at some stage there it was planned that there would be extra engine bay cooling that our good friends the bean counters decided late in the stage to delete the extra cooling fan in order to save a few shekels and the wiring plug is still there.
When I have the car back together I must check to see if the brown/black wire is live when the engine bay fan is running. That will pretty well prove my theory correct.

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Replied by 1275rob on topic Mystery plug

Posted 3 hours 56 minutes ago #210385
Thanks Cobber, i might install another fan then :) I checked the plug with a multi meter and the brown / black wire is live with ignition on.
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Replied by Cobber on topic Mystery plug

Posted 2 hours 11 minutes ago #210387
if it is a engine bay fan wire it should probably only be live when the fan engine bay fan is actually operating when you do the test to see if it's live the + probe should go to the brown/black wire of the plug and the - probe should go to the  black wire of the plug not to a general ground.  If it's live when the engine bay fan hasn't kicked in yet then then who knows what it's for. the reason you need to use the - probe on the black wire and not to ground is it may switch to ground through the  black wire if the brown/black wire is always live.

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Replied by Cobber on topic Mystery plug

Posted 35 minutes ago #210388
If you look at the dog's breakfast of wiring diagrams in the workshop manual on the engine management pages you will see there is a brown/black wire running from the engine control module to the engine bay cooling fan relay.
Then look at the cooling fans page you'll see a brown/black wire running between the engine control module and terminal 86 of the engine cooling fan relay via terminal 6 of connector CO1448 black plug
Unfortunately the printing quality is totally shit in my manual (cheapskate bastards) as it is blurred a bit on some of these so they might not be right but,as best as I can tell,
These are the only brown/black wires I can find in the workshop manual
It depends on which version of the engine control module the car is running  as to what terminal is used at the module.
MPi versions use terminal 26. of wiring connector CO159 black plug
VVC versions use terminal 32 of wiring connector CO158 red plug
Where as EMCVT versions use terminal 74 of connector CO634 black plug

To allow for the different engine control modules to be adapted, there is another pair of connectors blue plugs that link the cars loom to the various engine control modules, these are CO162 (Car loom side) and CO448 (module side) these use terminal 8

Interestingly enough there seems to be no mention of our mystery grey plug with brown/black and black wires, which suggests that it is not used. in our application. it may even be part of a generic piece of wiring loom used in common with other MG/Rover cars that use some of the same parts.

I hope that makes some sense.
The manual is so poorly written it really is all over the place like a mad woman's shit! the crap low resolution black and white photos don't help either.
I've been staring at this shit so long I fell cross eyed, I need time to absorb this fully... if I come up with any revelations or insights I'll report back.

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