Emissions Troubles

Emissions Troubles was created by paulusx2

Posted 3 weeks 3 days ago #208057
Looking for some assistance with a long standing fuelling issue I have with my 98 MGF which is causing the CO to be sky high.

Apologies for the length of this post but I want to share all the checks I've performed in the hope that someone can help narrow down what is wrong.

Parts replaced:
- Cat replaced for MGOC standard i.e not an ebay special
- New O2 sensor
- New Coolant temp sensor fitted (brown one).

Despite the above the CO remained unchanged.

However, noticed that whilst at the testing station the cooling fans didn't kick in at any point. The temp gauge remained at 'normal' but my spider senses were alerted. When I next got an opportunity I tested by unplugging the coolant sensor (brown) and the fans kicked in immediately.

Plugging the PSCAN in I could see that the coolant temperature was being reported but the O2 sensor voltage remains at a constant 0.49v regardless so I went hunting.

I have tested the individual conductors from the O2 sensor back to the ECU (pins 27 & 28 on red connector) and these are good.
I have tested the heating element in the O2 sensor and this looks good using Dieter's pages as a reference.
Placing a multimeter across the O2 sensor I can see the voltage steadily rise as the device warms to peak at 0.9v. From this I consider the sensor to be good?
Engine earthing point has been cleaned to ensure a good contact with ground.

I have attached a couple of images as I'm confused by the behaviour of the ECU. My understanding is that the ECU should operate in open state until the coolant temp reaches 'normal' running temp (approx 90 degrees). However, if I'm interpreting the data correctly, mine appears to operate in closed mode when idling regardless of temperature. When I then pick up the revs the ECU drops to open mode - returning to closed mode when the revs return to normal.

Am I correct in thinking that the O2 value of 0.49v is not necessarily coming from the sensor but is actually a default value from the ECU itself?

My thinking is that the ECU is at fault here as it appears to be ignoring the coolant temperature despite the fact it is reporting what I believe to be true values. 

I do have another ECU for a VVC but unsure whether I can simply swap them over or whether that will cause other issues?

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
 
Last Edit:3 weeks 3 days ago by paulusx2
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Replied by tnjk on topic Emissions Troubles

Posted 3 weeks 3 days ago #208058
The O2 sensor voltage should fluctuate. If it stays steady in PSCAN, but fluctuates while measuring with a multimeter, I would check the connection wires from the O2 sensor to the ECU connector, perhaps the wire is broken, or too much resistance in the connector. You can also clean the connectors, including the ECU connector, with contact spray.
I think you cannot use a VVC ecu on a standard engine, even swapping two identical ECU's may not work due to not matching security codes with the instrument cluster of ingnition key. But I have no experience in ECU swapping on my MG, I did encounter this on my Audi.
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Replied by generous_dad on topic Emissions Troubles

Posted 3 weeks 2 days ago #208063
I may be barking up the wrong ECU but I post ith good intentions.

If I read correctly, you changed the CAT.
I understand that original CATs are not available or if they are, several hundred pounds (compared to a couple of hundred).
These CATs do not behave the same as original CATs and will cause an error at the ECU.

If I am barking at myself again, apologies. If there is any grain of sense, then I strongly advise you to call Mark at Kmaps.
He was the fuel and emissions engineer for these cars when they were in production (citation needed) and knows more about ECUs, replacement CATs and anything else about what comes out of the engine and how the ECU deals with it, than I have had hot dinners.

Good luck.

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Replied by pscan.uk on topic Emissions Troubles

Posted 1 week 4 days ago #208242
I suggest that you select only the oxygen sensor voltage so that it updates much faster, which will help you to see if it's fluctuating.
I'm not 100% sure but yes, I think 0.49V might be a default value, so what you get if there is no sensor present.

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