MG Quiz

Whoop :woohoo: ! Another question down...

So here is my second attempt...

What is the classic saying about Morris cars? And which manufacturer had the opposite saying?

What year did MG start supplying their own engines? What was the first company bought by MG to supply their engines and what were they named afterwards?

Who supplied MG radiators and what was the company renamed to after it was bought by MG, in what year?

How were the old threads different to the ones used now? Which was the last MG to use such threads, in what year?

:woohoo: Well Done Hari, you're becoming a force to be reckoned with. BTW your question refers to 'threads' what are 'threads'?

Just on questions, can we all agree to set one question or a multiple question on just one car/person?

Now come on Mark where was the competition that 'EMMA' won?

PQD44 wrote: :woohoo: Well Done Hari, you're becoming a force to be reckoned with.

Just on questions, can we all agree to set one question or a multiple question on just one car/person?

Now come on Mark where was the competition that 'EMMA' won?

Sorry! The first part of my question can be omitted - its more fun than anything else. The second 2 questions are about MG suppliers :yesnod:

Yes please tell Mark!

it wone one of the Monte Carlo Challenges it entered (best in class) thats all i got unfortunatly

also
and being one of the very few MG Magnette competition cars to have FIA papers (albeit 'old style').

What year did MG start supplying their own engines? What was the first company bought by MG to supply their engines and what were they named afterwards?

Who supplied MG radiators and what was the company renamed to after it was bought by MG, in what year?

How were the old threads different to the ones used now? Which was the last MG to use such threads, in what year?[/quote]

mg radiators was in a question not long ago lol

In August of 1919, William R. Morris (later Lord Nuffield) was instrumental in helping Harold Alfred Ryder and A. L. Davies set up Osberton Radiators in an old roller skating rink on Osberton Road in Oxford.
Ryder was the general manager of Coventry Radiators, a division of Doherty Motor Components. William R. Morris had been buying radiators from DMC, since the 1913 Morris Oxford, however DMC was not able to keep up with demand. WRM encouraged Ryder along with Davies to move to Oxford to start the business. There is some suggestion Morris was financially involved behind the scenes in the set up of the new venture.


In January of 1923, Osberton Radiators came under the sole ownership of WRM and Ryder was appointed as a Morris Motors director in addition to his duties as the General Manager of Osberton Radiators.

Later in 1923 Osberton Radiators moved from Osberton Road to a new factory on the Woodstock road. From 1925 to 1927, Cecil Kimber had space allocated to him for the production of MGs at the Bainton Road entrance to this new factory. In June of 1926 Osberton Radiators became Morris Radiators Branch. MG production was moved to Cowley in Sept. 1927.

On the TA and TB cars and early TC’s, a brass plate is usually found on the LH topside of the header tank in the crook of the "L" shaped pressing. On the later TC’s, this plate is generally found on the RH topside of the header tank aft of the "round" shaped pressing. The plates were hand numbered and attached to the header tank resulting in some variation in placement of both plates and numbers.

engine

hotchkis in far gosford st in coventy use to supply the engines but morris brough hotchkiss in 1923 and renamed morris engines
here is a pdf of all the history to save me typing it all

http://www.mgcars.org.uk/imgytr/pdf/enginehist.pdf



threads do you mean cotton threads or bolt threads like whitworth bspt (imperial) etc or m16 unc unf (metric)etc

so pre BL all threads where inperial latest cars use metric threads so the last mg car to have imperial threads would be the mg mgb by my guess as an engineer :broon:

soooo is the above a win

MGF MARK wrote: it wone one of the Monte Carlo Challenges it entered (best in class) thats all i got unfortunatly

I thought that was the case!

MGF MARK wrote:

tui wrote: What year did MG start supplying their own engines? What was the first company bought by MG to supply their engines and what were they named afterwards?

Who supplied MG radiators and what was the company renamed to after it was bought by MG, in what year?

How were the old threads different to the ones used now? Which was the last MG to use such threads, in what year?

mg radiators was in a question not long ago lol

In August of 1919, William R. Morris (later Lord Nuffield) was instrumental in helping Harold Alfred Ryder and A. L. Davies set up Osberton Radiators in an old roller skating rink on Osberton Road in Oxford.
Ryder was the general manager of Coventry Radiators, a division of Doherty Motor Components. William R. Morris had been buying radiators from DMC, since the 1913 Morris Oxford, however DMC was not able to keep up with demand. WRM encouraged Ryder along with Davies to move to Oxford to start the business. There is some suggestion Morris was financially involved behind the scenes in the set up of the new venture.


In January of 1923, Osberton Radiators came under the sole ownership of WRM and Ryder was appointed as a Morris Motors director in addition to his duties as the General Manager of Osberton Radiators.

Later in 1923 Osberton Radiators moved from Osberton Road to a new factory on the Woodstock road. From 1925 to 1927, Cecil Kimber had space allocated to him for the production of MGs at the Bainton Road entrance to this new factory. In June of 1926 Osberton Radiators became Morris Radiators Branch. MG production was moved to Cowley in Sept. 1927.

On the TA and TB cars and early TC’s, a brass plate is usually found on the LH topside of the header tank in the crook of the "L" shaped pressing. On the later TC’s, this plate is generally found on the RH topside of the header tank aft of the "round" shaped pressing. The plates were hand numbered and attached to the header tank resulting in some variation in placement of both plates and numbers.

engine

hotchkis in far gosford st in coventy use to supply the engines but morris brough hotchkiss in 1923 and renamed morris engines
here is a pdf of all the history to save me typing it all

http://www.mgcars.org.uk/imgytr/pdf/enginehist.pdf



threads do you mean cotton threads or bolt threads like whitworth bspt (imperial) etc or m16 unc unf (metric)etc

so pre BL all threads where inperial latest cars use metric threads so the last mg car to have imperial threads would be the mg mgb by my guess as an engineer :broon:

Didn't know about previous radiator question, but it gives you a bit of a head start!

Engine: Hotchkiss of Gosford Street, Coventry were purchased by Morris in 1923 and were renamed Morris Engines Branch.

Radiator: You are right RE Osberton Radiators, but what were they renamed to, what year and why...?

Threads: Bolt threads, not cotton. Answer incorrect. Sorry!

And what about the saying for some bonus points...?

hgf

posted some extra above in read
on the threads side you can not give an correct date as the mg montego metro used metric and imperial
so the f has a mix of types of thread especialy on the suspencion side :yesnod:

Sorry! Still, why was Osberton taken over my Morris?

And threads...? There is quite a definitive answer for those used on engine...

Whilst HGF is a common problem, not the saying I was looking for!

history of osberton radiators and morris
morris owned part of osberton radiators

In anticipation of a boom year for the motor industry in 1920 (a forecast that was to prove true only in part) William Morris was concerned that his suppliers were not going to be able to handle the volume of production he would need. Rollick & Pratt of Coventry who were contracted to supply most of the car bodies, was one example. They were also supplying other makes. Raworth of Oxford also supplied some bodies to Morris but these were mostly the more special units.

Another possible bottleneck was going to be the supply of radiators. Dohorty Motor Components, also of Coventry, were the suppliers of radiators for the Morris but, unfortunately, they also had commitments with the motor trade Generally. It appears that William Morris suggested to foremen H.A.Ryder and A.L.Davies of Dohorty Motor Components that they start up a radiator works in Oxford. The idea was taken up and the two men moved into their first workshop next to the Bear Inn, Alfred Street, in May 1919, and employed two skilled men in soldering. Ryder's brother, R.WRyder, joined the venture a month later. In August 1919 the trio moved to the premises of the former roller skating rink in Osberton Road, Summertown. This was the building that Morris had, six years previously, used to hide the buses during his disagreement with the Oxford Council, and which had, during the war, been used by the Royal Flying Corps in connection with their aerodrome on Port Meadow. With assistance from William Morris, the two Ryder brothers and A.L.Davies took over the building, installed a couple of small presses, and named the new venture Osberton Radiator Company. With a working strength of eleven men, including Arthur Kendrick, Bill Bond, George Bailey, Bob King, Curly Sawyer, George Holton and Eddie Norton, Osberton began production shortly afterwards.

At this time all Morris radiators were of the grilled tube type. These cooling gills were separate discs with a hole punched in the centre, to be threaded onto the tubes which later went to make up the complete radiator. Threading of the gills was something of a cottage industry undertaken by women. They would collect the gills and tubes from Osberton Road in bags, baskets or perambulators to take them home to assemble. Unfortunately, on route, a small number of these gills, which had jagged edges around the punched hole, would be dropped into the road and discovered only when passing cyclists came to repair a puncture.

Morris cars had a distinctive radiator shape which was known by the Cowley works as "Bow Front" or "D-Front". It was only in later years that enthusiasts for the marque coined the term "Bullnose" (Indeed, the first reference to "Bullnose" in, relation to the Morns, that the writer has found was in The Autocar of 1926: "Though lots of enthusiasts will mourn the death of the bull-nose Morris, a single glance of the 1927 coachwork justifies the change"). It was not until the introduction of the Cowley that William Morris used a distinguishing badge on his radiators (albeit the badge subsequently adopted appeared in very early catalogues) and for this he borrowed from the Oxford City coat of arms "a red ox fording water barry wave argent and azure in the base". This device, which appeared on a fourteenth century seal, not only expresses the name, but also hints of its origin; but an alternative to the theory that Oxford grew up about a ford for oxen, it that the syllable "ox" is a variant of the Celtic word for water. Although the nickname "Bullnose" suggests a bovine connection, it has been written that the origin is a corruption of the term "Bullet Nose", referring to the shape of the wartime .303 bullet.

William Morris had had a financial interest in Osberton Radiator Company since its establishment in 1919, and it had by 1921 reached a stage where the firm were experiencing difficulty in keeping up with his requirements. Around this period, a new, and presumably cheaper, form of radiator element was introduced which did away with the tubes and gills, previously described, in favour of a honeycomb type radiator block for Morris cars. This new type of construction made manufacture easier, but despite the rise in the number of employees at Osberton Road to 79, production was still not sufficient to satisfy the demand from Cowley. To overcome the problem, William Morris injected more capital to finance expansion and took over the company in 1923, making one of the original founder brothers, Harold Alfred Ryder, general manager of the works. The new expansion included an increase in the labour force to 179 and the renting of a one time shirt factory in George Street which then provided space where polishing, final assembly, and leak testing could be done. In addition it provided more space for office accommodation.