Removing Door Handle

Replied by Viper on topic Removing Door Handle

Posted 5 months 2 weeks ago #207103
Hi again,

Pictured is a new one out of the UK and the spring looks identicle to mine.

I'm assuming the piece on the right of the spring going up, goes into the hole in the rod on the left and the hook part of the spring goes over the long gold plate (not pictured on the new one but in my one).

I must be missing something because the angle is a good 25 degress out.

Regards,
Rob
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Replied by Cobber on topic Removing Door Handle

Posted 5 months 2 weeks ago #207104
Don't be in any hurry to bend that spring, you should be absolutely sure of where it goes before messing with it....once you bend it you'll never get it back to the way it is now and you would need to know exactly where it goes in order to know how much and exactly where it might need to be bent.
An important thing to remember about springs is that they bounce back into shape so it's unlikely to need bending unless it's been stretched out of shape, and that doesn't look it, as it has no signs of distortion. Even then if it is out of shape, it would be best to replace it as bending will most likely lead to poor opperation.

I suspect you haven't found the right angle of the dangle, so to speak, you probably need to try some other alignments until it makes sense.
I'll have a look through my spares today and see if I can find a door handle to see how it goes for you......until then leave the bloody spring alone!

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Replied by Viper on topic Removing Door Handle

Posted 5 months 2 weeks ago #207105
Thanks for the offer. Where are you located? I am in Sydney Australia.

Regards,
Rob
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Replied by Cobber on topic Removing Door Handle

Posted 5 months 2 weeks ago #207106
I just had a look in the shed, and the door handles are not where I thought they were, the damned things will be in there somewhere but I dunno where as I've recently moved and there is a shitload of stuff filling a quite large shed......so if I was you, I wouldn't be holding my breath whilst waiting for me to find them!... if ever, I'm sure there are lost Japanese Soldiers from WW2 that don't know the war is over still hiding in there....my shed is not unlike an impenetrable jungle!
I'm sure they will turn up eventually, but I guarantee it will be when I'm not looking for them.

I'm in Melbourne......don't be jealous! :bust:

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Replied by Viper on topic Removing Door Handle

Posted 5 months 2 weeks ago #207107
Thanks for trying.

I'll open up the passenger side and take a look at how it holds together. I fixed the passenger handle on my previous one but diffrent problem, I had to build a bracket using plastic weld, but it was a while ago.

I broke my wrist playing footy so should be fun doing it one handed.

I lived in Melbourne for tens years, about nine years too long.
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Replied by Cobber on topic Removing Door Handle

Posted 5 months 2 weeks ago #207108
That's pretty well what I said about Sydney.. I got sent there for work a few times adding up to about 2 yrs and that was 9 yrs too long! :bust:
Mind you Brisbane and the Goldie are even worse!

As for your wrist, well of course I hope that you're.on the mend, but.I take it by football you are referring to what seems to pass for footy up there... thugby and not the glorious game preferred down here....Aussie Rules! :coat:

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Replied by Airportable on topic Removing Door Handle

Posted 5 months 2 weeks ago #207110
Don’t start bending things to fit you ideas of what should be, that spring was designed specifically to do a job by someone who knew more about the system than you.
The picture where you have the spring trussed up to the left of the screw is incorrect, I would be removing the screw & placing the spring over the moulded turret, peg facing down & the hook coming around the gold leaver you hook over it to bias the leaver upwards.
If I weren’t several hundred miles from home I would photograph a handle to illustrate my comments, which I will if still required on my return, however I guess you’ll have resolved the situation one way or another.
Go on eBay & rummage through the handle add’s & find one which illustrates the reverse side & take inspiration from that.
M

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Replied by Goodwood on topic Removing Door Handle

Posted 4 months 3 weeks ago #207420
The spring in the middle is mounted incorrectly. You need to unscrew the posi drive in the middle of the photo and lift off the metal part. The spring fits around the plastic base that the screw fits into. The straight end of the spring fits against the plastic base and the hook end to the metal. You then need to put the metal part back on and screw it in. It is meant to return the metal part to its original position. 

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Replied by Delbourt on topic Removing Door Handle

Posted 4 months 3 weeks ago #207461
I’m in the U.K. and have been renewing the door handle on the driver’s side (right hand drive car).
I have a photo of how the spring fits around the arm etc but I can’t download load that straightaway (it is on a different camera not linked to my phone/ipad etc).
But based on the image you posted that is incorrect.
The screw locates the centre of the spring. One end does go under the arm and the other located in a recess within the casting.

I am struggling to fit the last bit of this jigsaw and hope that putting the lock barrel in is straightforward process.
If it is I’d make sure you fit the U shaped retaining spring onto the casting before fixing the handle in place. I have just spent ages trying to get that in place once the handle had been fitted into the door.
Because I have the handle in place the spring to retain the lock barrel is going to be fitted from below. On the item I removed it was fitted from above and difficult to remove.
Your choice.
The barrel is tapered so pushing it in should be straightforward- famous last words.

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Replied by Delbourt on topic Removing Door Handle

Posted 4 months 3 weeks ago #207465
Here are two images showing spring location. Apologies for one not being in good focus but you should be able to see both ends of the spring in one image, and how it tucks under the arm in the other.
Hope that helps.
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Replied by Delbourt on topic Removing Door Handle

Posted 4 months 3 weeks ago #207473
I’ll refresh what I said about pushing the key/lock-barrel into place being the last action.
That proved to be impossible with the glass and hardware in place, at least it was impossible for me to do. With better access it might have been possible but sitting/lying on the garage floor I found it impossible.
So took everything out again.
Then with the lock-barrel attached to its operating rod I took a deep breath and pushed the barrel into the door handle hole. Ensure you have the rod the right way around. It needs to favour reaching the solenoid not the outer door skin etc.
Then with the solenoid in one hand and held horizontally engage the drop rod from the lock barrel. Don’t let go of this assembly yet.
Drop/lower the door button rod through its hole (check it is the right way around) and again hold the solenoid nearly horizontal and engage the door button rod. Again check that the rod is the right way around with bend favouring the solenoid (easy to see if it is correct by looking at the button as it protrudes out of the door by the glass) whilst at the same time checking alignment within the frame of solenoid. Wriggle the solenoid back to vertical and engage the cable mechanism. Engage the cable.
With all that lot in place attach the solenoid to the door with at least one screw.
Push the final rod into its relevant hole and swivel/rotate the green closing piece to lock that rod in place. Connect the electrics and tighten the three solenoid retaining screws.

Grief, I hope never have to do that job again.

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Replied by Delbourt on topic Removing Door Handle

Posted 4 months 2 weeks ago #207510
Not sure if this helps or not but here are a few images of the assembly prior to removing the solenoid and also the door handle after removal. In my opinion it would be extremely difficult if not impossible to renew/replace the rod that is attached to the door handle itself without the handle being out of the car. For example how would you get the drop length right or even mount the rod into the door handle in the car? I guess it might be possible to screw a new rod into the red bush but that is asking something. 
First the door handle after removal (see red bush and connecting rod) 

Next three images taken prior to starting the job and one with the solenoid released from the door.

Note the rubber bush is displaced from its position in the lock barrel mechanism and this hides the detail of the end of the rod.

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