How long to wait - coolant bleed
However I’ ve got a bit of a problem.
Filled it up with coolant and under static conditions I had a drip from the rad vent and from the heater vent. I knew the blleed by the cylinder head was clear as I had had the screw out.
Started the engine and apart from a fuel leak after changing the fuel filter it was leak tight.
With the engine running and temp climbing I could not get any liquid from any of the three bleed screws. Eventually the engine bay fan cut in but not the radiator fan. So it was shut down and left for about 15 to 20 minutes before re starting.
Everything was warming up but still no water from the bleed screws. Then I did something I regret I undid the rad screw some more and it came out with water gushing out (too hot to touch but certainly not near normal temps). The bleed screw is now lost and gone for good into one of the cavities in the chassis below the rad and never to be seen again. Getting a replacement is just one problem.
But what I want to know is why I can’t get water out of any of the three bleed screws.
Any ideas please?
Its a TF 135 built Dec 2004.
I have just completed cam belt change, water pump replacement, oil filter change, air filter change and fuel filter change, and under floor water rail replacement.
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When you get a new radiator bleed screw fill the header tank again. If water doesn't run out of the rad simply get a short length of hose, remove the rad plug and blow down the hose.
You will hear it bubble up through the big underfloor hoses in to the header tank.
I cleared mine that way.
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I’m thinking it might be something associated with the PRT.
But I’m puzzled why nothing is being pushed out of any of the three bleed points. I’m sure the small one by the cylinder head should be “bleeding” from there.
Water does appear to be recycling into the header tank. And the level does rise as that tank as it warms up.
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I fitted on of these. Bit extravagant but if to have to replace it anyway?
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On the radiator bleed point; it’s a fairly standard size & can be bought for a few quid from a plumbing supplier. I’ve gone back through my orders to see if I can verify the thread form, sadly nothing has turned up.
I remember it was cheaper than the MG original, it was stainless & at that time, by an amount.
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RE. the airlocks. I bought a cheapo device for single handed brake bleeding - it was pretty useless at that BUT you could use it to suck water (and air) out of the bleeds.
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M12 x 1.25mm Steel Drain Plug Blanking with Recessed Rubber Sealing Washer
They're going to be about £3.50 at a guess, more if there's carriage, mind you Rimmers don't have stock, which is remarkable & so its got to be good value at several times the price.
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Many of you will have had cars “pre” and “post” PRT. I am trying to locate drawings indicating the differences in flow and the consequences of that to see if that helps to produce an explanation.
I think that the PRT stat has to open before any flow gets to the rad.
I think that the heater should get flow almost immediately but need to check this.
I thought that flow should come from the bleed screw on the water rail by the cylinder head almost immediately and if correct why is that not happening?
Why did the engine bay fan come on when nothing would come out of any of the three open vents (rad,heater,water rail). Water was circulating back into the header tank.
Any ideas please?
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”We” know the rad was full when the plug was lost. It is understandable that water might not be being returned until the PRT opens but coolant should still flow out of that vent.
There is fluid in the rail by the cylinder head and definitely not restriction there but nothing gets pushed out when the engine was running and water circulation into head tank was taking place.
Similarly the heater bleed point.
It is understandable that in closed vents that water might not circulate due to an air lock but any open vent must surely release water/air until all air is expelled.
Nothing will happen now until the replacement plug arrives other than re fitting the front valance after failing to retrieve the lost plug.
But any theory as to why no water is coming out of the vents will be well received.
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In the end I went back to first principles, looked at a diagram of the cooling system yet again and this time went to the hottest part of the system which is the outlet assembly at the front side of the engine. removing all of it's hoses I was surprised to see the metal spigot i had just removed a half inch hose from was solidly blocked with detritus. This had clearly built up over the years around the tempertaure sensors (being the narrowest flow point in the flow there) blocking the spigot and preventing the bypass flow. Now due to the slightly unusual cooling system configuration the thermostat relies on a working bypass flow to open. Clearing this blockage resolved the issue immediately.
2003 MG TF 135 sunstorm
1979 MGB GT
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2002 115 TF + 1998 118 MG F
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