MG Quiz

Okay, not normally this quick to reply! Here is an MG associated question. Everyone knows about "K" series engine and it's wonderful capabilities (as well as the dreaded HGF!), but what year and which car was it first fitted too (not an MG) AND how many different types and derivatives have there been of the "K" series engine?

K-Series engine was built by Powertrain Ltd, a sister company of MG Rover and was first fitted to the Rover 200


Number of derivatives?

I'm just off to check

Think I ought to qualify that last bit, before folks start researching Lotus, Caterham and the like ! I mean in house-MG Rover etc.

PQD44 wrote: K-Series engine was built by Powertrain Ltd, a sister company of MG Rover and was first fitted to the Rover 200


Number of derivatives?

I'm just off to check

Having done engine research for the previous question about A, B, C, series etc, it was Not the Rover 200 :slapme: :bang:

I know the full answer to this, but think i should let someone else have a go and i dont have a back up if i win (again!)

The MGF was the first car to receive the 1.8 VVC derivative of the engine, but thats beside the point, ok the number of derivatives.

The engine was introduced as a 1.1 L single overhead cam and 1.4 L dual overhead cam layout.
There have been K8 (8 valve) and K16 (16 valve) versions along with the VVC variety and the KV6.

So here is the full list

1100

All 1100 engines displace 1.1 L (1,120 cc/68 cu in). Four variations were created:

SOHC K8 8-valve, Carburettor, 60 hp (44 kW)
SOHC K8 8-valve, SPI, 60 hp (44 kW)
SOHC K8 8-valve, MPI, 60 hp (44 kW)
DOHC K16 16-valve, MPI, 75 hp (55 kW)

Cars that came with the 1100:

Rover Metro
Rover 100
Rover 200
Rover 25

A 1.4l DOHC K-Series engine in an MG ZR

Engine Codes: 14K2F (8V), 14K4F (16V), 14K16 (16V)?

All 1400 engines displace 1.4 L (1,396 cc/85 cu in). Six variations were created:

SOHC K8 8-valve, Carburettor, 75 hp (55 kW)
SOHC K8 8-valve, SPI, 75 hp (55 kW)
SOHC K8 8-valve, MPI, 75 hp (55 kW)
DOHC K16 16-valve, SPI, 90 hp (66 kW)
DOHC K16 16-valve, MPI, 82 hp (61 kW)
DOHC K16 16-valve, MPI, 103 hp (76 kW)

The K16 82 hp variant is exactly the same as the 103 hp (77 kW) version, apart from a restrictive throttle body designed to lower the car's insurance group; the 90 hp (67 kW) Spi features single-point fuel injection rather than the multi-point of the later engine.

Cars that came with the 1400:

Rover Metro
Rover 100
Rover 200
Rover 25
Rover 400
Rover 45
Rover Streetwise
MG ZR
MG ZS - Ireland and Portugal only.
Caterham Seven
GTM Libra
GTM K3
FSO Polonez Caro/Atu

1600

Engine Code: 16K4F

All 1600 engines displace 1.6 L (1,588 cc/96 cu in). Two variations were created:

DOHC K16 16-valve, MPI, 109 hp (80 kW)
DOHC K16 16-valve, MPI, 111 hp (82 kW)

Cars that came with the 1600:

Rover 200
Rover 25
Rover Streetwise
Rover 400
Rover 45
MG ZS
MG F
MG TF
Caterham Seven

1800

Engine Codes: 18K4F, 18K4K (VVC variants)

All 1800 engines displace 1.8 L (1,795 cc/109 cu in). Six variations were created:

DOHC K16 16-valve, MPI, 117 to 120 hp (86 to 88 kW)
DOHC K16 16-valve, MPI, 136 hp (100 kW)
DOHC K16 16-valve, MPI, VVC, 145 hp (107 kW)
DOHC K16 16-valve, MPI, VVC, 160 hp (118 kW)
DOHC K16 16-valve, MPI, turbocharged, 150 to 160 hp (110 to 118 kW)
DOHC K16 VHPD - Very High Performance Derivative 16-valve, MPI, 177 hp (130 kW) or 192 hp (142 kW) (Lotus version) (Uses VVC unique cylinder head casting (similar to VVC casting), has big valves, but with fixed cam timing - No development input was requested from Rover)


Some of the above was copy paste so don't shoot the messenger

Paul, you didnt answer the first part of John's question :slapme: " Which non MG within the Rover group was the "K" series first fitted too?????

:slapme: Bryan was the answer I gave above not the first Non MG, the Rover 200, the first to be fitted with a K-series?

PQD44 wrote: K-Series engine was built by Powertrain Ltd, a sister company of MG Rover and was first fitted to the Rover 200 ...

Does however look like I failed to give the year, which was 1988 :yesnod:
'K series went into production in 1988, funded largely by the Department of Trade and Industry (DTI). The production facilities were genuinely state of the art for the time. Both Ray Horrocks and Harold Musgrove had to put their jobs on the line (with huge credit to them) to ensure the investment that was to have such a positive impact upon the future of Rover.'

'This model, codenamed R8 and sometimes referred to as the Rover 200 Mk2, was the first car to be introduced by the newly privatised Rover Group. Once again, the model was designed in collaboration with Honda (who produced the new designed-for-Europe Concerto model) and both models would share production lines at Rover's Longbridge facility. Initially only available as a five-door hatchback, this was the first application of Rover's ground breaking K-Series family of engines (appearing in 1.4 L (1396 cc) twin-cam 16-valve form).'

Just for completeness the KV6 version of this engine was first used in the Rover 825

How's that?

Oh goody - dissention in the ranks - who's is playing Captain Francesco Schettino and who Captain De Falco.

Can't blame HGF for RBW (rock below waterline)

Paul, i apologise, you are correct :slapme: i had mis- read the information. In doing some research for the MG engines question i came across a document by Neil Cairns listing the engines from 1924 onwards. he has written that the first car to receive the 1.1 & 1.4 "K" series engines was the Rover 100 (metro) and then further on he stated that the engine started life in 1980 and was developed as "A Plastic Sandwich" designed to run for 150,000 miles then be scrapped :slapme: and this prototype engine was put into a ROVER 200 in 1989 ~ However we amused Mr Forgetful

There is a bit of a pattern developing here.

Unfortunately, as we have both :oops: discovered in the past the www can spread misinformation at an alarming rate.

Still who knows what answer John is expecting, this may all turn out to be academic :lol:

Whilst we wait for John Newey to return and expand on the k-series question, here is a quick question for you to solve.

The new MG Motor .co.uk website has a section giving a brief history of MG

click on this link

Unfortunately, they have made a mistake in the detail of at least one of their facts in the MG Milestones section

Which fact have they got wrong?